Unlike desires or dreams, our thoughts and feelings don’t reside in our minds alone. The body holds your physical health and your ability to function. But the mind houses your spirit and your motivation to function. On today’s show, Dr. Krishna Bhatta is with host Patrick Veroneau to talk about how the mind and body are closely connected to improving one’s mood and overall health. Dr. Krishna shares his journey on how intermittent silence changed him and how this had been a useful practice in his daily life. He shares how slowly practicing, same time (for 10 mins), same place for certain weeks or months, you will start to open new doors and work from the inside out.
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Intermittent Silence: How To Achieve Self-Mastery Of Body And Mind With Dr. Krishna Bhatta
If you have been exploring different ways to incorporate meditation into your daily lifestyle, then this is the episode for you. My guest is Dr. Krishna Bhatta. He’s the Chief of Urology at Northern Light Eastern Maine Medical Center. He’s also the Chairman and Founder of Relaxx LLC, which is an app on meditation and specifically, one of the models that he’s created is called Intermittent Silence. I’ve been using it and I love it. The conversation with Dr. Bhatta was one that I enjoyed. In this environment, if you’re looking for different ways to improve your own wellbeing, then this is a great episode for you. Let’s get into it.
Dr. Bhatta, thank you for being on the show. Dr. Bhatta is the Chief of Urology at Eastern Maine Medical Center, but also created a meditation app. He’s in the meditation space. There is some uniqueness to what he is promoting, the model that he’s developed. I was hoping that we could talk about that, Dr. Bhatta.
Thanks for having me. It’s great to be with you. You have been in the leadership space at least in Maine that we know of. It’s great to connect with you.
This is such an important component. We had an opportunity to talk prior to this. In regard to the leadership development that I’m involved in, I think very much about this idea that it needs to start from the inside out, which is much in line with what your app is trying to provide individuals. I was hoping you could go through this idea in regard to your app, which is Relaxx, and this idea of intermittent silence and how do we do that?
Let’s start with the app. We can talk about the components of the app, and then we can talk briefly about intermittent silence. There are three major components or three elements that we are born with. Normally, when people talk about any spiritual progress, they talk about mind and body, enhance the mind, enhance the body. We have come up quite a bit as far as body and mind. We exercise and we do comfortable house and comfortable living. We have done a lot with our body and our mind. We go to our universities, colleges, and we have high standards that we become great doctors, scientists, and leaders.
There is another element in our life that we come with which we ignore. That’s where the problems happen that even though you’re successful in body and mind, you still are prone to depression and burnout, because there is another element which I call the flame, which represents your individual personal consciousness. There is a piece of consciousness in you that stays with you even after your body dies. That flame is an important factor that continues to represent you in some form or the other. That is the basic concept. The practice of intermittent silence and meditation comes there.Chakras are work centers of energy in the body that are all connected. Click To Tweet
What is the impact of intermittent silence as it relates to the flame?
The flame is the one which the code restraint, and you want to know your consciousness. You want to experience that and the silence by resting your brain, and by being in what’s happening in the surrounding. You’re journey to the inside starts with that. It’s only ten minutes a day practice. By slowly practicing at same time, same place for certain weeks or months, you will start experiencing new doors start opening. More than that, you can also use after that from the inside out. You can create a theater or an atmosphere inside that silence where you can experiment on things that you want to work on. If you want to work on congruence, one of your instinct. You can work from inside, not just imposing it on your mind, which is good to have that. You can create a conditioning by training yourself, but if it grows from inside you, then it becomes yours forever.
As the practice of intermittent silence, to do this is a short amount of time too. Is it about ten minutes?
Yes, ten minutes a day.
Could you walk me through what is that process? I did it myself. I’ll give you my feedback after I’m done.
I like to know that from you. It’s four components of intermittent silence. The first one is close your mouth. When you close your mouth, you’re without words. You stop communication. The whole department of communication, and expression, and words processing that happen inside your brain, all those neurons and associated fibers get rested. That’s the least benefit of that, then you close your eyes. When you close your eyes, everything that’s associated with visual pathway, optic neurons, and everything that is associated with observation gets rested inside your brain. There is a silent listening. Silent listening is listening to any sound and all sound around you, but not trying to analyze that or process that, just silent listening. The fourth one is watching your thoughts silently. Let your thoughts pass by and let it transit. These are the four basic steps of this thing.
All the brain cells and neurons in your brain will thank you. We say that 86 billion neurons for that ten minutes of rest. As we were talking, in the beginning it may be uncomfortable. We are not used to an inner journey. We are not used to being silent. You want that ten minutes to go away in three minutes. That happens. That’s expected, but once you cross the limit that’s uncomfortable and restless, it creates a space inside which you can do wonderful things. You are observing outside and you are expressing outside. Instead of doing that, you can create your own bubble or theater inside you. The expression that if it goes inside, internalize it. You can have a situation where you can only have positive thinking. You can create some obstacles if you want to, but you can create a positive imaging as well.
Let me tell you a story about a patient who I was going to do a prostate surgery, cancer surgery. He told me that he wants me to read a book before I do the surgery. He gives me the book, I read the book and the book was by Vincent Peale, Positive Imaging. It’s a nice book. I thought, “I’ll read the book. Why does he want me to read the book?” This guy had been practicing for a week before surgery. Every night he will lie down and imagine that he’s on the surgical table and I’m operating, and everything is going well. This is the power of positive imaging. In this period of silence, once you have practice and you have done your ten minutes, you can create that theater. Whether it’s the leadership course you’re going to give, or you are going to give an interview. You can do the whole thing in your personal space and then act it out. Eighty percent or ninety percent of that will be the same as what’s going to happen. I used to do surgeries. If I’m going to do a big surgery, I’ll act it out. When I go, I’m well controlled. Sometimes things will go this way or that way, but at least 90% of that has been rehearsed.
It’s interesting you talk about that too, because whether I’m working with athletes or leaders in organizations, the successful ones take that to heart, especially athletes about visualization and expectation. You need that first if you want to elevate yourself. That ability to go inside and develop this sense of expectations is important. One of the unique things about your method though is breathing through your nose the whole time and keeping your mouth closed. As a morning routine, I will generally try and work on breath for a short period of time. I’ve always been told to breathe through the nose and not through the mouth. Why is your approach to close your mouth the whole time?
It’s more to do with communication expression so that you can internalize it and master the air and rest your thing. What you are saying is, what is the difference between meditation and intermittent silence. When you say meditation, it’s a huge area. There is guided meditation, breathing meditation, and mantra meditation. It’s like going to Himalayas. When you go to Himalayas, it’s vast, 1,500 miles of spread. When you go to Himalayas, you need winter gear, hiking boots and warm clothing. You need to acclimatize yourself or need oxygen if you want to go higher. All that thing is packaged in intermittent silence. In any meditation you want to do, you have to deal with your thoughts. You have to deal with sounds that you’ve got listening. You have to deal with your observation power. Observation also includes mindfulness. You need this package for any meditation you want to do. If you want to do jogging meditation, you won’t close your eyes because if you close your eyes, you may not know where you are going.
If you are doing breathing meditation, that part you can modify. Once you have the hang of silence, because all the guided meditation, they take their mind and they guide you. There’s nothing wrong with that, but you need that silent period. That’s where you experience the depth. It’s like going to the source, but once you get to the source, then find the force. That part is not mentioned by many people. Most people will take you to that silent place and there’s a comeback. Once you go to that silent place, there is a lot of energy there that we can be useful in your practice in daily life.
I experienced that when I did that for the ten minutes. What was interesting is as I started, I listened to you and then you were gone. I was like, “It’s all silent here. There’s nothing.” In the beginning, it was a little uncomfortable. There was no instruction, no silent music in the background. It was just silence. I jokingly said before this that I didn’t realize that my house, even at 5:00 or 5:30 in the morning, was as loud as it was. It’s the different noises, the radiator or the house settling, or my stomach rumbling that I never paid attention to before. As I came out of this and was trying to focus on letting those thoughts continue to drift by, I kept getting caught up in thinking about the process and questions that I was going to ask you when we had this interview and trying to let those go. After finishing, as it relates to the model that I’ve been doing a lot of work on for another client, I came up with a whole different approach to what I was going to do. I looked to that space that I gave myself. It provided me a great sense of energy after I was done.People who can teach others leadership and other things are born with a high energy level. Click To Tweet
That brings me to the inner conversation. There are two kinds of inner conversation. One is what you just mentioned. Something came up from there and it happens like my whole intermittent silence came like that from my meditation, the whole process. I then tried to formulate it and structure it. That is one type of inner conversation. The other kind of inner conversation is that you want to brainstorm on something, you take that particular thought, and now you have a space. You have created a place where after you have listened to the sound and everything else, you can create and say, “I’m going to experiment this or experience this,” then do a brainstorming. One is the thoughts come directly that you never anticipated and never thought. The other is you can also use it as a brainstorming session or honing in some skills, one of your twelve questions you can work on. It can be a powerful tool.
I found it very powerful. I can’t wait to do it again. Who knows? Maybe I’ll do it at some point too. Is there a reason why you mentioned trying to be consistent in terms of when it’s done and where it’s done?
They said the best time is either the dawn, sunrise or sunset, because the universe’s energy changes at that time. The whole point here of doing same time, place and technique is somehow you will find after a week or so that your body is looking for that, it’s waiting for that. It’s strange but it does happen. When you get up in the morning, you feel like breakfast. Your body, your whole space, it seems like everything becomes aligned that way. I find it helpful to do it the same time, same place, and same routine.
One of the things that I saw on your website that I found very interesting is you talked about mind as friend. In my own experience and the work that I do, and from what I see outside is that many times, those minds aren’t their friends, and how important it is to have your mind as your friend. What does that mean and how does it impact?
I started saying that because people started calling it names like monkey mind or something. I said, “Come on. This is going to be with you. Whether you like it or not, your mind is going to be with you for your life. You can’t get rid of this so why not have a friendly relationship?” Mind has two components, minding and mindfulness. The minding part, sometimes you can say, “Come on, stay out there. I’ll come back to you.” You also mentioned about energy body and food body. We have food body, which is we eat healthy, and food translates into body fitness, but there is also another layer of the body, which is energy body. We sometimes feel goosebumps, sometimes you feel that way. The Chinese call it chi and the Japanese call it qi. There is a lot of meditation in Relaxx app with chakra meditations. Chakras are work centers of energy in the body and they’re all connected.
The whole point is when you do exercise, you are healthy. You feel different. The same way, once you start creating and conserving energy, you feel like you are living at a higher energy level. The higher the energy level, the more peaceful you are. Some people are born with higher energy. People who can teach other people leadership and other things, you are born with a high energy level. There are people who are not. They should work on that because if you live at a lower energy level, the more irritable and sensitive you are. It’s important to work on the energy level consciously for leadership, entrepreneurship, medicine, whatever. It’s generally a good idea.
I would love people to have an opportunity to go on and try your app. You mentioned chakra, that there’s a number of different examples on there or options for people to meditate in different ways, not just in regard to intermittent silence, but there are other things on there that are valuable. Go to the App Store, it’s Relaxx, and your website is Relaxx.org.
There’s download link on that there.
I downloaded the app and tried it. It will become a regular part of what I do. I enjoyed it. I hope other people will take the opportunity to do that.
Thank you, Patrick. It’s great to know you. We can talk about how we connected sometime.
I know we have more work that is going to be done together in terms of a couple of clients that I have mentioned about having you come in and do this talk again. I appreciate this. The universe has sent us to each other for this type of work. Thank you for that.
Wishing you all the best.
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